Faith vs Belief

Faith and reason are not spheres of influence that overlap, they are completely separate.  Faith is defined as knowledge ‘verified’ by faith.  The definition is circular.  Faith is belief without reason.   Faith is by definition, irrational (knowledge lacking reason).  Faith claims knowledge of the unknowable; it is contradictory.  The fact that it is irrational does not make it inherently unethical or bad.  It is what it is, it is irrational.  Faith in god is not a type of knowledge; it is belief without reason.  Religious faith is a conventional abstraction.

Faith is different from belief as well.  Belief is a statement or idea of pre-knowledge or pre-understanding that can be verified and tested using the scientific method.  A belief can be proven true or false.  Newton believed gravity existed before he could fully define it or state it into a hypothesis.

Faith is irrational belief.  Belief that cannot be tested.


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  1. I’d agree if all Religion are built on Faith .
    but Your definition lack the accuracy you should read more about Religion to be able to make such judgement and get into this inaccurate conclusion and I tell you why

    The Islam is the only religion that does not recognise Faith as a Foundation stone and reject every blind faith or any kind of Irrationality ..

    Islamic Belief is based on many Evidences That a healthy rational person cant denial and you can find the foundation of Islam in the Quran
    The Quran is Special kind of book that provide Logical proofs and evidences , falsification tests and Challenges for EVERYBODY …….
    Muslims they dont have Faith but rather they have what call in Arabic Iman and you can see the difference from the dictionary

    Faith : In English faith mean: a promise to believe something even if it seems to be impossible, you believe it without evidence.

    Iman : In arabic the root for this word is Confirmation[amana] mean when you check on something you believe it because you looked and you saw an indications that it’s true, this doesn’t mean proving every item, but you look and see that this agree with what do you know so far….

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    • There is quite a bit to unpack in your comments.

      Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all share the old testament and a belief in God. God is defined as the intelligent designer of the entire universe, omniscient, omnipotent, omni-benevolent, omnipresent. These are all (negative) descriptors of a being outside of human knowledge that are impossible to confirm and excepted as an article of faith. Positive descriptors (testable attributes) are required to really define a being.

      The past humans that channeled God: Mosses, Jesus, and Mohamed provided more attainable vessels for God’s alleged messages. These figures provided positive attributes which made them more attainable. These positive attributes allows believers to have a personal relationship to what was previously a very impersonal God.

      The writers of the old Testament got one thing right, if you provide God with positive descriptors, you limit his power… so they skillfully avoided that by describing a being outside of human knowledge. So any believer in God, is by definition taking a big leap of faith to belief that God is real and has all the powers ascribed to him (or her, or it).

      If you accept a false premise argument, many rational arguments can be made off the initial premise if it is unquestioned. I’m unfamiliar with the many Islamic Evidences that you reference but I can pretty much guarantee you there is a lot of belief without evidence in the Islamic faith, just like all faith; and it starts with a belief that God is real. It’s impossible to prove that something does not exist, but if one wants to claim something does exist then the burned of proof is on them, not the non-believer.

      Recommended reading, “Atheism, the Case Against God” by George Smith. It’s the best book I’ve come across that deconstructs the rational arguments most people of faith uses to rationalized the irrational. Most religious people I know literally cannot open the book to explore its contents due to the fact that the main article of faith amongst the major three religions is that God will punish you if you don’t accept him completely. The fear of God’s wrath for simply questioning the idea of him is a major sin. So most people self-censor their doubt to avoid this conflict. It’s powerful stuff… I was raised religious and it took quite a bit of effort to explore the other side. I broke free early… if you’ve devoted your life to religion it would be extremely difficult to question that.

      That said, you can know ethics and understand it more fully through introspection AND still be a believer in God. Being religious and having a secular understanding of ethics is not at odds per se. If your religion instructs you to act unethically towards others than there would be conflict, at which point the non-believer would be justified in questioning any dictates of faith that inspired unethical acts.

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